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Gulf of Mexico low nears tropical depression status
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 13:41 GMT le 21 septembre 2007 +2
A large low pressure system (93L) over the Gulf of Mexico has gradually been acquiring tropical characteristics, but is in no hurry to intensify. Top surface winds measured at buoys in the Gulf of Mexico this morning have been 30 knots (35 mph), so this storm could technically qualify as a tropical depression if the current hurricane hunter mission finds a well-defined center of circulation. There are two Hurricane Hunters aircraft in the storm right now, and they have found several swaths of surface winds of 35 mph. Long range radar loops from the Florida Panhandle clearly show the storm's circulation, but the low level spiral bands are not well organized and are only slowly getting more organized. Satellite loops show a large, sloppy-looking storm. Storms that start off as large, non-tropical systems like 93L typically take several days to organize and become fully tropical, and 93L will not have time to become anything worse than a minimal tropical storm. The storm is capable of dumping some heavy rains along its path--radar estimated precipitation from the Tallahassee radar (Figure 1) were as high as three inches. As 93L becomes more tropical in nature, it will be able to generate higher rain amounts. But, with the storm expected to move inland by Saturday afternoon, it does not appear 93L has time to generate the kind of tropical rains that would make it a serious flood threat.


Figure 1. Estimated rainfall from the Tallahassee, Florida radar.

Elsewhere in the tropics
An area of disturbed weather has developed in the western Caribbean between the Yucatan Peninsula and Jamaica, in association with a surface trough of low pressure. This disturbance will bring heavy rains to Cozumel and Cancun on Saturday as it crosses the Yucatan Peninsula. The region will need to be watched for development on Sunday as it crosses the Gulf of Mexico. The NOGAPS and GFS models predict an upper air pattern favorable for formation of a tropical depression over the Gulf of Mexico on Sunday and Monday. Heavy rains from this system may hit Louisiana and/or Texas on Monday.

A non-tropical low pressure system about 1000 miles east of Bermuda is being watched by NHC for tropical development. This low is expected to move northeastwards out to sea 2-4 days from now.


Figure 2. Current visible satellite image showing 93L near the Florida Panhandle (top of image) and the western Caribbean disturbance (bottom right of image).

I'll have an update late this afternoon when the next set of computer models runs are available.

Jeff Masters
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301. K8tina 15:16 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Well, at least its not coming this way... my mini-meteorologists (3 1/2 yr old triplets) can take a break from watching this one approach us. I feel bad for the ppl in Mississippi if this thing decides to pull an Humberto, because they still haven't gotten completely recovered from Katrina yet! :-(
303. thelmores 15:17 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
"Who needs Panama City?"

the people that "LIVE" in Panama city need Panama city!
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304. IKE 15:16 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Posted By: ladyluck276 at 10:13 AM CDT on September 21, 2007.
Who needs Panama City? And there has only been one hurricane ever recorded in Panama, so it's not likely..


You're added to my ignore list...up to 19.
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305. flynns 15:18 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
jameskrivan:
I said last year i was wanting to see what a 200 mph hurricane could do to panama city...i was just curious

err but i take that back...I DON'T WANNA KNOW


You'd lose the Hathaway bridge, and that's the best thing that'd happen all week. :P

I haven't looked at Panama City, but back when Katrina hit, I looked at what'd happen to southern Okaloosa county (seeing as how I'm tasked with planning for the end of the world, I figured it was worth my time) in a Category 5 storm.

Destin ceases to exist; Fort Walton Beach gets cut in half (one half is underwater, and the other is leveled from wind damage). The northern communities fare a little better, but anything within a couple miles of the water pretty much gets written off.

The worst part, though, is that we lose all the bridges and Highway 98, so that there's exactly one road out of the county - Highway 85 - which is lined with trees all the way to I-10.
307. thelmores 15:19 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
3 1/2 yr old triplets! holy moses!

Never a dull moment in your house! LOL
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308. Cavin Rawlins 15:19 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
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309. v7fan16 15:19 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Im batting down the hatches here in pensacola. . but it is breezy here..
310. nolesjeff 15:19 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
what happened?
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312. brazocane 15:19 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
I cant believe Texas is in the cone, although it would have to take a nice scenic trip around LA for that to happen
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314. mississippiwx23 15:18 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
So that STD10 designation was really in response to Humberto. They are 'stretching' the definition because they are afraid it will develop more and become a storm, and wanted to get out the warnings now. Very interesting.
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315. Bonedog 15:19 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
wow seeing the comments from the regulars seems the trolls are in rare form. Guess I was correct in my ignore list today
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316. DallasGumby 15:20 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Posted By: RockMeLikeAHurricane at 3:06 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

STATE OF EMERGENCY has just been declared in LA.


The state of emergency was declared yesterday, it was not "just" declared.
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317. PensacolaDoug 15:20 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Who needs Panama City? And there has only been one hurricane ever recorded in Panama, so it's not likely..

Are you refering to Panama City Panama?

The original post is refering to Panama City Florida.
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318. OUSHAWN 15:20 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
I'm going out on a limb here...

If you read the discsussion for STD10 it mentions how there is a very broad center. It also talks about a turn more towards the WNW. I have a funny feeling that the actual center will consolidate further south which means it will stay off shore and will continue a more westerly path and threaten Texas still. Not wishcasting here...just something I see happening.

Shawn
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319. rwdobson 15:20 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
NHC discussion for STD ten is pretty interesting. I won't post the whole thing but it's worth a read. One point they make is that the actual center is less important with an STD, since the worst weather may be miles away from the center.
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322. TampaSpin 15:21 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Any chance the blob in the middle of the Gulf turn into something,
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323. moonlightcowboy 15:21 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
If this thing turns a bobble westerly, I think this thing will get a chance to strengthen.
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325. rwdobson 15:21 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
"The PEOPLE of Panama city have never experienced a hurricane. Hurricanes never track that far southwest in the caribbean. Never ever."

We're talking about Panama City, Florida.
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326. cchsweatherman 15:21 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
I have a question for you all concerning the Western Caribbean disturbance. Taking a look at the water vapor imagery, it seems to me that the convection is moving rapidly to the NE towards Florida in response to the broad low pressure associated with STD 10. With this flow, how would this disturbance go over the Yucatan Peninsula and into the BOC? I just don't see that happening. This is not in any form wishcasting, but observation.
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327. C2News 15:22 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
I have updated my blog. Includes full updated on STD 10 and some great news about the news.
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329. brazocane 15:24 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
cchsweatherman post it one more time just for good measure
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331. flaboyinga 15:25 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
I have wondered over the years (60+): What if we only had two or three storms per year and they bled off ALL of the energy in the atmosphere that the larger number of storms do, as we now experience annually. I'm kind of inclined to stick with what we have.
332. gnshpdude 15:25 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
If anyone is interested my weather station is located at 86.7/30.4 in Mary Esther Florida. Here is the link to monitor STD 10. http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KFLMARYE1
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333. K8tina 15:25 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
flynns -- I think I remember you saying something about that in another weblog about what would happen to Okaloosa County during a Cat 5 storm... or maybe I'm having a de ja vu moment... anyways, its pretty serious info but so many ppl in our area will ignore it and think that hurricanes of that strength cannot poss hit Okaloosa County. People need to be aware that these storms are extremely dangerous, no matter how small they may seem on a map. Thanks Flynns for educating others and for your info! :-)

thelmores -- Yeah, I have the next Max Mayfield, Jim Cantore and Stephanie Abrahms on my hands at the moment! *LOL* Surprisingly, they are good at weather info and LOVE looking around Weather Underground with me! :-)
335. Patrap 15:25 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
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336. Cavin Rawlins 15:26 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Posted By: cchsweatherman at 11:21 AM AST on September 21, 2007.

I have a question for you all concerning the Western Caribbean disturbance. Taking a look at the water vapor imagery, it seems to me that the convection is moving rapidly to the NE towards Florida in response to the broad low pressure associated with STD 10. With this flow, how would this disturbance go over the Yucatan Peninsula and into the BOC? I just don't see that happening. This is not in any form wishcasting, but observation.


You are not wishcasting as I'm seeing the same thing. Before i thought it was going into the Bay of Campeche across the Yucantan but using water vapor, I see the same thing.
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339. zoomiami 15:27 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
CCH: I agree with you - this is suppose to be causing the rain set up (if it actually happens) here in S. Fl. - all indications appear that the blob is blobbing its way NE.
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340. PensacolaDoug 15:27 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
I have a question for you all concerning the Western Caribbean disturbance. Taking a look at the water vapor imagery, it seems to me that the convection is moving rapidly to the NE towards Florida in response to the broad low pressure associated with STD 10. With this flow, how would this disturbance go over the Yucatan Peninsula and into the BOC? I just don't see that happening. This is not in any form wishcasting, but observation


Thays a good question. I wish I had a good answer. Anyone?
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341. Soloco2 15:27 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Please don't feed the trolls....... :(
342. mississippiwx23 15:27 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
flaboyinga,

Hurricanes can only strengthen to a certain extent. There is a reason why it only goes up to cat 5. So in other words, the worst you are really going to get is a Wilma, Camille or Katrina. It wouldnt matter if we had 15 storms or 5.
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344. 7MileBeach 15:27 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Excellent thanks nrtiwlnvragn.

Posted By: nrtiwlnvragn at 3:14 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

7MileBeach

The TROPICAL DISCUSSION - INTERNATIONAL DESKS will give you more information on your part of the world.
346. aspectre 15:28 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Having lived there, I figured ladyluck276 was talking about the city in the nation of Panama.
I'd certainly miss it. A lot nicer place to live than many, maybe even most.
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347. MrNiceville 15:26 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Flynns - do I know u? I live in BWB and you sound like a friend that lives in the NBFD station on Whitepoint Road...
348. Patrap 15:28 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
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349. rwdobson 15:29 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Sometimes the convection moves away from the center...so it's not always indicative of where the center is...
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350. MarkandConsuelo 15:28 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
I know here in LA any storm that approaches brings up the topic of Katrina because there is still debris in many places. It is also that way with MS I am sure.

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