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Gulf of Mexico low nears tropical depression status
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 13:41 GMT le 21 septembre 2007 +2
A large low pressure system (93L) over the Gulf of Mexico has gradually been acquiring tropical characteristics, but is in no hurry to intensify. Top surface winds measured at buoys in the Gulf of Mexico this morning have been 30 knots (35 mph), so this storm could technically qualify as a tropical depression if the current hurricane hunter mission finds a well-defined center of circulation. There are two Hurricane Hunters aircraft in the storm right now, and they have found several swaths of surface winds of 35 mph. Long range radar loops from the Florida Panhandle clearly show the storm's circulation, but the low level spiral bands are not well organized and are only slowly getting more organized. Satellite loops show a large, sloppy-looking storm. Storms that start off as large, non-tropical systems like 93L typically take several days to organize and become fully tropical, and 93L will not have time to become anything worse than a minimal tropical storm. The storm is capable of dumping some heavy rains along its path--radar estimated precipitation from the Tallahassee radar (Figure 1) were as high as three inches. As 93L becomes more tropical in nature, it will be able to generate higher rain amounts. But, with the storm expected to move inland by Saturday afternoon, it does not appear 93L has time to generate the kind of tropical rains that would make it a serious flood threat.


Figure 1. Estimated rainfall from the Tallahassee, Florida radar.

Elsewhere in the tropics
An area of disturbed weather has developed in the western Caribbean between the Yucatan Peninsula and Jamaica, in association with a surface trough of low pressure. This disturbance will bring heavy rains to Cozumel and Cancun on Saturday as it crosses the Yucatan Peninsula. The region will need to be watched for development on Sunday as it crosses the Gulf of Mexico. The NOGAPS and GFS models predict an upper air pattern favorable for formation of a tropical depression over the Gulf of Mexico on Sunday and Monday. Heavy rains from this system may hit Louisiana and/or Texas on Monday.

A non-tropical low pressure system about 1000 miles east of Bermuda is being watched by NHC for tropical development. This low is expected to move northeastwards out to sea 2-4 days from now.


Figure 2. Current visible satellite image showing 93L near the Florida Panhandle (top of image) and the western Caribbean disturbance (bottom right of image).

I'll have an update late this afternoon when the next set of computer models runs are available.

Jeff Masters
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353. Cavin Rawlins 15:29 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
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355. Cavin Rawlins 15:30 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Another obs to add...is that the convective mass maybe appears to be moving towards the NNE on water vapor imagery but the apparent center is moving northward as per visible imagery. [caribbean disturbance]
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356. moonlightcowboy 15:29 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
The WU model page for TD10 is messed up.


--Hey, Niceville!

---the blog is soooooo slow. I made this post yesterday.
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357. DestinFishHead 15:29 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Am I the only one not getting wound up about this storm??
358. avlos 15:31 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
"The PEOPLE of Panama City have never experienced a hurricane. Hurricanes never track that far southwest in the caribbean. Never ever."

I love it when people say never ever. They are just asking for it. I am also sure that a Cat 4 will never ever head west to east through the Caribbean in November. Oh wait, it already happened.(Lenny)
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359. flynns 15:31 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
MrNiceville: Nope, that's not me... although I know the Asst. Chief over at NBFD.
360. DallasGumby 15:31 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Posted By: OUSHAWN at 3:20 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

I'm going out on a limb here...


Shawn, while I'd never say that's impossible, it would have to go south of west to threaten our state; and, it's been moving NNW.
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361. Cavin Rawlins 15:31 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
my posts are being lost..here let me try again

Another obs to add...is that the convective mass maybe appears to be moving towards the NNE on water vapor imagery but the apparent center is moving northward as per visible imagery. [caribbean disturbance]
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362. BlxMS 15:32 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Fortunately this one looks like it won't become fully tropical and strengthen much. But, it's still a concern here on the MS Gulf Coast. With 17,000 still in FEMA trailers we don't want people riding out even a moderate TS in them. Frankly, the FEMA contractors that set the trailers didn't do a very good job with the strapping and securing. The worst part is that all but one of the certified shelters in Hancock County are still unusable from Katrina. Let's just get this thing inland ASAP.
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363. hookedontropics 15:33 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Humberto, meaning it doesn't want to come on shore...
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365. MrNiceville 15:35 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Well, off for home...

Looks like the drive will be a bit wet. Hopefully, I can beat the big storm bands...

Flynns - what's the expectation for rain/winds in the next 4 hours?
366. TheCaneWhisperer 15:35 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
I will have to say 93L has shaved a couple years off my life expectancy. Glad the confusion is over, IMO.
367. TampaSpin 15:35 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
PatRap you say little but, post alot of info. Thanks
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368. cattlebaroness 15:35 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Morning folks. Guess my post..question is in cyberspace..........Question. Do yall think we will have a major 3 or greater..hit the US this year, or will mother nature give us a break? I appreciate your opinion.
369. moonlightcowboy 15:35 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Drive safely, Niceville!
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370. MrNiceville 15:36 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Crud - they're messing with the CSS files again...
371. southbeachdude 15:36 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Hello 456....Is that movement of the blob or wind shear on the blob making the movement look NNE?

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372. apocalyps 15:37 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
cattle,

a major hurricane landfall next week is
very likely.
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373. MrNiceville 15:37 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Thanks MLC!
374. Bonedog 15:37 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
This storm could be bad even as is. If this starts spawning numerous tornados in MS and AL and LA we can see bad things because of all the FEMA Trailers.

Just becuase this doesn't go above what it is doesn't mean it can't be a bad storm.

Prayers go out those in the path of this storm :(
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376. pcola 15:39 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
C2News, congratulations and what a great job of reporting! You should be very proud of yourself. Keep up the great work and good luck! Your future looks promising........
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377. Patrap 15:39 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
What were seeing is mutiple vortexes ,rotating around a mean center.There are two currently ..nearly same -sized,spinning sw of Appal.Fla..drifting wnw..
In my Obs.
NEXRAD Radar
Red_Bay Base Reflectivity 0.50 Degree Elevation Range 248 NMI 19frame Loop
STD-10

Link
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378. SomeRandomTexan 15:39 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
17N 82W is the approx center of the carrib blob...it appears that the LOw off of florida is tryign to pull some of the moisture off to the NE. The main section if you look closely is still to the sw of that point....imo
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379. Cavin Rawlins 15:39 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
The Caymans and Cuba may get up to 50-80 mm of rain in 3hrs





Cloudtops

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381. flynns 15:41 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
MrNiceville: Flynns - what's the expectation for rain/winds in the next 4 hours?

Four hours? Eh. It might rain a bit. Winds will probably stay under 25 mph. As we press forward into the evening, and into early morning, we'll probably see more.
383. SomeRandomTexan 15:42 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
PATRAP---

looks like it is trying to form a new COC to the S of the old one... that would be bad news because it would allow more time for it to develop...
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384. Patrap 15:42 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    

GOES IR Loop of Gulf of Mexico


Link
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385. Cavin Rawlins 15:42 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Posted By: southbeachdude at 11:36 AM AST on September 21, 2007.

Hello 456....Is that movement of the blob or wind shear on the blob making the movement look NNE?


I dont like to use the term wind shear but yes the upper winds across the area are from the SW/W so that is driving the convection east of the "center".
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387. TampaSpin 15:43 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Looks like the Carribean thing will be an Invest at least
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388. Labayourambler 15:43 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
This blob of thunderstorms in the W. Caribbean, that could possibly develop in the GOM and affect LA or TX, how strong could it get in the GOM???
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390. OUSHAWN 15:44 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
SomeRandomTexan...

That was the point I was trying to make in my last message. I said I had a funny feeling that it would do that. Let's see if it continues...

Shawn
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391. HuHunter 15:44 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Do you guys think TD10 will be our last tropical concern for the US Mainland?
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392. westernmob 15:44 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Storm's path reminds me of Hurricane Elena in 1985.

Elena was the most erratic storm I ever remember.
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393. Patrap 15:44 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
..A few Numbers to chew..


Most of the city weathered Hurricane Betsy in 1965 without severe flooding, with the major exception of the Lower Ninth Ward neighborhood. The Lower Ninth Ward is separated from the rest of the city by the Industrial Canal and Gulf Intracoastal Waterway. It was flooded not by rainfall, but by a breach in the Industrial Canal levee, resulting in catastrophic flooding and loss of life in the neighborhood.

By the 1980s, the city boasted a system of 20 pumping stations with 89 pumps, with a combined capacity of 15,642,000 gallons per minute, 22.5 billion gallons per day, equal to the flow of the Ohio River.
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394. Soloco2 15:45 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
ignore a-pac-o-lips.........he is a troll
396. SomeRandomTexan 15:45 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
OUSHAWN---

good call, but i dont think it is still far enough south to have a Tx hit..... Tx may be more effected though if this takes over to be the main COC.
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397. 7MileBeach 15:46 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Hey Weather456, we got pounded with rain and thunder this morning in the Caymans. The roads are drying up right now though but it's probably just the insane humidity doing that.

Posted By: Weather456 at 3:39 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

The Caymans and Cuba may get up to 50-80 mm of rain in 3hrs
398. apocalyps 15:46 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Texan and oushawn i see it to.
This could mean it goes west and stays longer in the water.If it does we will have hurricane jerry tomorrow.
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399. TampaSpin 15:46 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
Posted By: HuHunter at 3:44 PM GMT on September 21, 2007.

Do you guys think TD10 will be our last tropical concern for the US Mainland?

Look South in the Carribean? What do you think. This year is far from done IMO.
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400. SomeRandomTexan 15:46 GMT le 21 septembre 2007    
HUhunter---

i think you are way off
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