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Karen defeated; new disturbance a threat to the Gulf of Mexico
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 16:33 GMT le 30 septembre 2007 +3
Wind shear put an end to Tropical Storm Karen yesterday. Karen's remains continue to generate a large area of disturbed weather a few hundred miles east of the northern Lesser Antilles Islands (Figure 1). This morning's QuikSCAT pass showed some rotation still exists near the surface, with winds up to 30 mph. Wind shear has fallen to 20 knots over Karen's remains, and some of the models forecast the shear will fall below 15 knots by Tuesday, which may allow redevelopment of the storm. Both the UKMET and NOGAPS model revive Karen later this week, and show it moving very slowly to the west towards the U.S., but well offshore. The GFS model keeps the shear high, and does not redevelop Karen.


Figure 1. This morning's visible satellite image.

Bahamas tropical disturbance
A potential significant threat area has developed today off the U.S. East Coast along an old frontal boundary. Several areas of heavy thunderstorm activity have started firing up along this old front. Wind shear is about 20 knots over the region today, so only slow development will occur. By Tuesday, the shear is forecast to drop below 15 knots, and most of the computer models are forecasting that a tropical depression will form near Florida or Cuba. This storm is forecast to move westward across the Gulf of Mexico, pushed by a strong ridge of high pressure expected to build in. An upper-level anticyclone aloft is expected to develop as well, providing an environment favorable for intensification. The UKMET model is forecasting a strong tropical storm or weak hurricane by Friday for the Texas/Mexico border region. The other models are not so aggressive, but all see the possibility of a tropical storm impacting the western Gulf of Mexico in Louisiana, Texas, or Mexico sometime Thursday through Saturday. The Hurricane Hunters are on call to fly into this system Tuesday afternoon, if necessary. Texas is at highest risk from this potential storm.

Melissa
Tropical Depression Melissa is not long for this world, thanks to wind shear of 15-20 knots that is expected to increase further as Melissa heads northwest. Melissa is not a threat to any land areas, and will not be around three days from now.

I'll have an update Monday.

Jeff Masters
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851. stormybil 04:33 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
beel you doing ok maybe it would help if someone could post a map with the areas circle that we are talking about even karen even i get confused and now i see a new area noth of cuba at 22n 74 west tia
852. LightningCharmer 04:34 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Posted By: MichaelSTL at 4:24 AM GMT on October 01, 2007.
One thing to remember though - wind often isn't what breaks windows, it is flying debris.


I knew I'd forget something. You'd think after all the plywood I've rushed over windows in the last few years, I'd remember why I was doing it. I must be getting tired.

All my excuses aside, you're exactly right. Flying debris is the main reason windows break. I've seen coconuts go by at Major League baseball pitcher speeds during a hurricane.
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853. BahaHurican 04:38 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Hmmm. It just started raining heavily here. Wasn't expecting any more downpours tonight, since the skies were clear an hour ago . . .
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854. moonlightcowboy 04:40 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
http://manati.orbit.nesdis.noaa.gov/dataimages21/cur_hires/zooms/WMBas125.png

...I'm also interested in the area that SFury pointed out earlier and that QS apparently missed on the descending pass.
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855. beell 04:40 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Will venture to say that the ETA and GEM maybe want to pull the ridge back N a little too quick resulting in a trip to the N Cent Gulf Coast. Would think a longer trip to the W or SW over water is in store for anything that might form.
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856. cirrocumulus 04:45 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
beell: Did you see the 2005 crossroads west of and near the Florida Keys? A lot of storms went through or developed around that area.
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857. beell 04:45 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Big deep bottom-to-top ridge over MX, TX, NM should keep at least one trof/cold front outta here.

Link
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858. moonlightcowboy 04:46 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Blank
48 HOUR FORECAST

--beell, you may be right. The flow appears to be very strong to the sw. But, too, the sfc map reflects the receding high pressure. Still, I think "if" indeed it forms, the movement surely would be more sw. jmho, too.
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859. moonlightcowboy 04:49 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
The area may be to watch is the low forecast to be off the trough in the swGOM?!!!
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860. beell 04:51 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
To be honest cirrocumulus, at that time I just thought I kept up w/the tropics. This site has taught me what that really means and at a level of detail i never knew before-first time joining a blog-got on at the tail end of Erin, so intimate knowledge of every disturbance at that time is beyond me. Do feel pretty comfortable with 2007 tho. Thanks to all who contributed to my education.
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862. moonlightcowboy 04:56 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
And, I concur beell. Have you visited SJ's tutorials. He's been very helpful (along with many others) and this new mission he's sailed on for educational videos is outstanding. I learn from them still. Just learned some new stuff about the QS site with them. If you haven't been, I certainly encourage the use of it!
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863. moonlightcowboy 05:00 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
StormyBil, forgive me, when you said "north" of Cuba I took you very literally and my eyes have been watching sFL. Ok, so now, I actually followed your coordinates to north of eCuba (lol) and looked at with different sat. Now, I see what you mean. Yes, that area too, looks as if it could have residual energy left from the lifting trough as well. Whhhheeeeew! So, many areas to eyeball! Good eye, though! WTG! You and SFury have been on-the-job tonight! My compliments to both of you...could be our next invests!
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864. stormybil 05:03 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
no promblem mlc i got your back lol you are the best im wating to see how this all pans out after blackout tonight its the best time around to check all the systems
865. beell 05:04 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
MLC, one of the first places i visited from here. Grew up in OK so had a good hobbyist background in severe wx fundamentals-plus about 15 yrs geekin' out on the wealth of info available on the net-just went crazy w/my first dial-up modem. I was in heaven. SJ's site is a great one-stop shop for talkin tropics
nuff bout me.
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866. KarenRei 05:06 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Just checking in -- what's going on? From satellite, Karen's remains look about like they did earlier today. Bahamas look about the same as well. Lots of upper level circulation, but I haven't yet seen evidence of a LLC. As for shear, we're looking at under 20 knots shear for Karen, about 30 for the Bahamas (both tending slightly lower).

IMHO, Karen looks healthier. If you go by the last QuikSCAT for finding the center, it looks like around 16N, 55W. By those numbers, even factoring in that she's moved since then, that's clearly underneath that big ball of convection. Circulation is on three sides, nearly on four, and there's 25-30 knot winds quite close to the center. Working against her, however, north of the Antilles is a thin band of some pretty significant (40 knot) shear, and it's even getting a little stronger (where she is now is falling). I'd imagine that if Karen hits that kind of shear, that would ruin any chance of regeneration.

Did I miss anything?
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867. HadesGodWyvern 05:09 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Weather Chart [0000z 01October 2007]
Japan Meteorological Agency


LOW
1010 HPA AT 28N 172E
NW 15 KT. - (Sub-Tropical Depression according to SDD)

TROPICAL DEPRESSION (91W)
1002 HPA AT 18N 130E
ALMOST STATIONARY

LOW PRESSURE AREA (92W)
1008 HPA NEAR 12N 145E
ALMOST STATIONARY

TYPHOON WARNING
SEVERE TROPICAL STORM 0714 LEKIMA
980 HPA AT 14.8N 112.7E
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868. New2SOFLA 05:14 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
theres a really nast storm here in miami beach...i can hear the wind howling....the water in the pool is being pushed out by thewind...wats going on with that distubance offshore?
869. silverstripes 05:17 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Is the latest quickscat the descending pass for tonight?
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870. moonlightcowboy 05:20 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
--News2, I don't see any severe weather warnings for that area; but please check yourself, possible watch for severe weather may exist.

--SStripes, yes, the latest is descending.
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871. beell 05:20 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Most of the winds are due to a pretty good pressure gradient from N to S over FL.
1022mb to 1014 in the Keys.
Am seeing winds on the W coast of FL go more Northerly. They have been NE most of the day.

Link
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872. moonlightcowboy 05:24 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Posted By: KarenRei at 5:06 AM GMT on October 01, 2007.

.... Did I miss anything?


--Karen, we're also watching the area of neCuba where there seems to be an area of potential as the trough lifts. And, there's another area along the itcz in the cAtl that seems to have some spin, but missed by QS this evening.

--beell, nice answer for News2 and excellent supporting visual.
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873. beell 05:29 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
my pleasure. think i'll quit b4 i blow it again.
G'nite to all you good folks here this evening.
Would love to Moonlight w/ya but I got this job thing...
)
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874. stormybil 05:31 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
just checked the cmc new run it shows so fla in for a tough week it has 3 differnt systems going over the state i agree on 2 of them . if you want to chck them out below

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875. moonlightcowboy 05:39 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
The image “http://radblast-aa.weatherunderground.com/cgi-bin/radar/WUNIDS_map?station=AMX&brand=wui&num=6&delay=15&type=N0R&frame=0&scale=0.750&noclutter=0&t=1191216915&lat=0&lon=0&label=you&showstorms=0&map.x=400&map.y=240&centerx=323&centery=234&transx=-77&transy=-6&showlabels=1&severe=0&rainsnow=0&lightning=0” cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.
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876. KarenRei 05:39 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Moonlightcowboy: Interesting, that central atlantic spin. Only a tiny bit of convection, but sure looks like a nice, clean, low to mid level circulation on visible. Almost no shear. Definitely worth watching.

I'm curious to see how things are looking tomorrow.
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877. moonlightcowboy 05:40 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Enjoyed it, beell. Have a good sleep!
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878. VEROBEACHFL1 05:43 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
all that crap out there is coming west-- whatever lurks is coming west, nw wnw or wwwwwwwnw -lmao--------- nite all.......
879. stormybil 05:47 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
VEROBEACHFL1 at 5:43 AM GMT on October 01, 2007.

all that crap out there is coming west-- whatever lurks is coming west, nw wnw or wwwwwwwnw -lmao--------- nite all.......


lol fla wanted rain this is just the begining of wahts coming down the pipe including exkaren
880. moonlightcowboy 05:56 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
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881. New2SOFLA 06:09 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Its calmed down here in miami beach......it comes and goes as i see is evident by the radar....im guessing kind of like a squall line u find in fully tropical systems...but this isnt tropical yet? is it expected to become so b4 pass this area?
882. moonlightcowboy 06:13 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
News2, I wish I could answer that question, sorry. The models are showing different things. The trough that sits out there is expect to split with two lows peeling off and going in different directions: one ne, and one over FL. Whether it gains tropical status by that time is probably not highly probable. Development is expect to be slow to occur. However, plz, do not rely on my thoughts, as they're just novice.
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883. New2SOFLA 06:13 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
that cmc run was a bit scary....for florida but more so for NO and Miss....i knnow the cmc is not a great model...but justthe thought is eary...with this years history of fast developement that would be horrible if it played out as such...lets keep our fingures crossed it doesnt....i dont know what factors are out there to stop it tho...im still new at this
884. New2SOFLA 06:17 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
i completely understand everything is a bit relative...and could change at any moment...this year has had its share of surprises....i work on the beach but live inland in the far west suburbs...we have been prepared all summer just in case wilma was pretty bad in that area before i moved so we made sure we came prepared
885. moonlightcowboy 06:19 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Kudos, News2 - "awareness, preparedness and safety" is what it's all about!
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886. BahaHurican 06:47 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Thought I'd post the TWO at 2:00.

000
AXNT20 KNHC 010552
TWDAT

TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
205 AM EDT MON OCT 01 2007

TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION FOR NORTH AMERICA...CENTRAL
AMERICA...THE GULF OF MEXICO...THE CARIBBEAN SEA...NORTHERN
SECTIONS OF SOUTH AMERICA...AND THE ATLANTIC OCEAN TO THE
AFRICAN COAST FROM THE EQUATOR TO 32N. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION
IS BASED ON SATELLITE IMAGERY...METEOROLOGICAL ANALYSIS...
WEATHER OBSERVATIONS...AND RADAR.

BASED ON 0000 UTC SURFACE ANALYSIS AND SATELLITE IMAGERY
THROUGH 0315 UTC.

...TROPICAL WAVES...

AN ATLANTIC OCEAN TROPICAL WAVE ALONG 25W/26W SOUTH OF 14N
MOVING WEST 15 KT. STRONG SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS FROM 8N
TO 9N BETWEEN 24W AND 25W. ISOLATED MODERATE SHOWERS ELSEWHERE
FROM 7N TO 12N BETWEEN 23W AND 28W.

AN ATLANTIC OCEAN TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 41W/42W SOUTH OF 14N
MOVING WEST 10 KT. THIS WEAK WAVE IS BARELY IDENTIFIABLE ON
SATELLITE IMAGERY DUE TO THE LACK OF ANY ORGANIZED CLOUDINESS.
THE MIMIC TPW ANIMATION SHOWS A SMALL AMOUNT OF WESTWARD-MOVING
MOISTURE THAT PROBABLY IS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS WEAK WAVE.

A TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 90W FROM 19N IN THE SOUTHERN YUCATAN
PENINSULA SOUTHWARD THROUGH GUATEMALA INTO THE EASTERN PACIFIC
OCEAN. UPPER LEVEL DIFFLUENT FLOW EXISTS IN MEXICO BETWEEN 90W
AND 96W. ISOLATED MODERATE SHOWERS...SOME WITH WARMING CLOUD
TOP TEMPERATURES...ARE BETWEEN 90W AND 96W IN MEXICO.

...THE ITCZ...
12N15W 8N23W 7N27W 8N35W 7N40W 6N43W 7N60W. ISOLATED MODERATE
SHOWERS WITHIN 120 TO 150 NM WEST OF AFRICA FROM 4N TO 13N.

ISOLATED MODERATE SHOWERS TO FEW STRONG THUNDERSTORMS SOUTH OF
7N BETWEEN 17W AND 42W...FROM 8N TO 10N BETWEEN 35W AND 38W...
AND FROM 9N TO 11N BETWEEN 36W AND 39W.

DISCUSSION...

THE GULF OF MEXICO AND THE ATLANTIC OCEAN WEST OF 65W...
A DEEP LAYER TROUGH RUNS FROM THE WESTERN ATLANTIC OCEAN THROUGH
32N71W TO A CYCLONIC CIRCULATION CENTER ON WATER VAPOR IMAGERY
NEAR 26N83W JUST OFF THE SOUTHWESTERN FLORIDA GULF COAST TO
THE SOUTHWESTERN GULF OF MEXICO NEAR 20N91W JUST OFF THE
NORTHWESTERN YUCATAN PENINSULA. MIDDLE TO UPPER LEVEL DRY AIR/
SUBSIDENCE IS BEING PUSHED INTO THE AREA UNDER NORTHERLY WIND
FLOW. STRONG RAIN SHOWERS AND POSSIBLE THUNDERSTORMS REMAIN IN
THE AREA FROM CUBA TO THE BAHAMAS...SOUTH OF 30N WEST OF 70W.
IT HAS BEEN RAINING OFF AND ON IN PARTS OF SOUTHEASTERN FLORIDA
DURING THE LAST 24 HOURS. A STATIONARY FRONT PASSES THROUGH
32N65W TO 30N70W TO 26N76W TO THE CUBA COAST NEAR 23N80W. THE
STATIONARY FRONT STARTS TO DISSIPATE WEST OF 80W...AND EVENTUALLY
TO THE NORTHEASTERN YUCATAN PENINSULA. A SURFACE TROUGH EXTENDS
FROM A 1010 MB LOW PRESSURE CENTER NEAR 26N74W TO EASTERN CUBA
NEAR 77W...INTO THE CARIBBEAN SEA JUST WEST AND SOUTHWEST OF
JAMAICA NEAR 17N80W. A SURFACE RIDGE HAS BUILT FROM THE AREA OF
SOUTHWESTERN LOUISIANA/THE UPPER TEXAS COAST COASTAL MEXICO NEAR
21N98W. EXPECT NORTHEASTERLY WINDS 20 TO 25 KT AND SEAS FROM
7 TO 10 FT TONIGHT THROUGH MONDAY NIGHT...AND TO 12 FT IN THE
STRAITS OF FLORIDA MONDAY AND MONDAY NIGHT.

THE CARIBBEAN SEA...
THE EXTREME NORTHWESTERN CORNER OF THE AREA IS COVERED BY MIDDLE
TO UPPER LEVEL CYCLONIC FLOW FROM THE NAPLES FLORIDA CYCLONIC
CENTER. UPPER LEVEL ANTICYCLONIC FLOW COVERS ABOUT 80 PERCENT
OF THE REST OF THE CARIBBEAN SEA EASTWARD...AROUND AN UPPER
LEVEL RIDGE THAT STRETCHES FROM THE SOUTHWESTERN CORNER OF THE
AREA TO HISPANIOLA AND EVENTUALLY ALONG 70W NORTHWARD INTO THE
ATLANTIC OCEAN. THE EXTREME EASTERN PART OF THE AREA IS COVERED
BY MIDDLE TO UPPER LEVEL CYCLONIC FLOW WITH THE TROUGH WHOSE
BASE IS NEAR 8N57W. THE UPPER LEVEL DIFFLUENT FLOW PATTERN IS
ALLOWING FOR SCATTERED MODERATE SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS EAST
OF HONDURAS AND NORTHEAST OF NICARAGUA FROM 15N TO 17N BETWEEN
80W AND 83W. ISOLATED MODERATE SHOWERS AND POSSIBLE
THUNDERSTORMS EXTEND FROM A POINT 150 TO 180 NM SOUTH OF JAMAICA
NORTHEASTWARD TO THE SOUTHWESTERN AND SOUTHEASTERN COASTAL
WATERS OF HISPANIOLA...NORTHWARD TO THE BAHAMAS EAST OF 74W.
STRONG SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ARE IN NORTHWESTERN COLOMBIA
NEAR ITS BORDER WITH PANAMA...IN AN AREA OF SOME MIDDLE LEVEL
DIFFLUENT FLOW.

THE REST OF THE ATLANTIC OCEAN EAST OF 65W...
A 1008 MB LOW PRESSURE CENTER IS THE REMNANT OF MELISSA NEAR
16N34W. A FEW BURSTS OF SHOWERS/THUNDERSTORMS ARE FROM 16N TO
17N BETWEEN 35W AND 36W. THE FLOW/PRESSURE PATTERN ON WATER
VAPOR SATELLITE IMAGERY SHOWS THE CYCLONIC CENTER NEAR NAPLES
FLORIDA TO THE UPPER LEVEL RIDGE ALONG 70W...TO THE TROUGH
THAT REACHES ITS BASE NEAR 8N57W OFF THE COAST OF GUYANA...
TO A SECOND UPPER LEVEL RIDGE ALONG 47W/48W. STRONG SHOWERS AND
THUNDERSTORMS ARE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE TROUGH WHOSE BASE
IS 8N57W...FROM 14N TO 15N BETWEEN 56W AND 57W...AND FROM 16N
TO 18N BETWEEN 56W AND 58W. LARGE-SCALE UPPER LEVEL ANTICYCLONIC
FLOW COVERS THE ATLANTIC WATERS NORTH OF 30N BETWEEN 26W AND
45W. A DEEP LAYER TROUGH 32N22W TO 28N28W TO 29N40W. THIS TROUGH
SUPPORTS A COLD FRONT THAT PASSES THROUGH 32N17W TO 30N22W TO
28N29W. THE COLD FRONT DISSIPATES FROM 28N29W TO 28N34W AND
29N37W. POSSIBLE SHOWERS ARE WITHIN 15 TO 20 NM ON EITHER SIDE
OF LINE THROUGH 32N17W 30N21W 29N25W.

$$
MT
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887. jpritch 07:09 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Did everyone go to bed?
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888. flaboyinga 07:14 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Just lurking.
889. stormybil 07:24 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
blackout is over karen off the navy site . mellisa stays . looks like we might indeed see 90l today from the se bahmmas form imo .
890. jpritch 07:28 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
They may have to put Karen right back up. She looks better than before the blackout.
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891. stormybil 07:42 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
they might latter on .looks like the bahmma blob is now getting a spin to it and convection now forming this could be 90l today what u think ?
892. jpritch 07:48 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Hard to tell about spin with only a frame or two to go on, but it certainly looks more vigorous.
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893. jpritch 07:48 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Well, I'm off to bed to dream about what surprises might be in store for us tomorrow. LOL
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894. BahaHurican 09:13 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
What, is nobody else up yet??

Good morning . . .
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895. FLWeatherFreak91 09:17 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
I'm up Baha, I just have no idea what's going on
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896. BahaHurican 09:21 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Most recent shot of xKaren:

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897. underthunder 09:23 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
I'm awake also...not knowing why...but here I sit...waiting for some news on what might be cooking in the gulf....we sure could use a tropical deppression to move in here and stay a few days...but it's not looking very likely....back to lurking...morning ya'll....
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898. BahaHurican 09:23 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Recent shot of area near the Bahamas:

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899. FLWeatherFreak91 09:24 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Where are you located underthunder?
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900. BahaHurican 09:28 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
Looks like the mid-level low has shifted to the west of FL this a.m.
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901. hurricane23 09:28 GMT le 01 octobre 2007    
NHC 530am...

DISORGANIZED CLOUDINESS AND THUNDERSTORMS...THE REMNANTS OF
KAREN...EXTEND FROM THE LEEWARD ISLANDS EASTWARD FOR SEVERAL
HUNDRED MILES. THE STRONG UPPER-LEVEL WINDS IN THIS AREA COULD
WEAKEN A LITTLE DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS...BUT ANY
DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO BE SLOW TO OCCUR AS IT
MOVES TO THE WEST-NORTHWEST AT 10 MPH.
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