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Tropical Depression 3 forms near South Carolina
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 03:27 GMT le 19 juillet 2008 +0
Tropical Depression Three has formed off the Southeast U.S. coast. Charleston, SC long range radar shows the slow development of a solid spiral band of thunderstorms to the southeast of the center, away from land. The storm is over waters of marginal warmth, about 27°C, a degree above the threshold of 26°C needed to sustain a tropical storm. The warm waters are very shallow, and the Tropical Cyclone Heat Potential is near zero, meaning we're unlikely to see rapid intensification of TD 3. Wind shear is about 15 knots over the storm, and is forecast to remain 10-15 knots over the next two days. There is some dry air over the Southeast U.S. that may get entrained into TD 3's circulation. TD 3 could intensify into a weak tropical storm, if the center manages to remain over water. None of the models forecast that TD 3 will intensify beyond a 50 mph tropical storm, and this is a reasonable forecast, due to the relatively cool water temperatures, moderate wind shear, and the presence of dry air nearby. Coastal areas of North Carolina are likely to get heavy rains from TD 3, but it remains to be seen if these rains will penetrate far enough inland to significantly alleviate drought conditions over the state. Heavy rains may also develop over South Carolina, but the main rain will probably remain offshore as the storm passes that state. TD 3 is unlikely to bring heavy rain to any other states, with the possible exception of Cape Cod and Nantucket, Massachusetts Monday/Tuesday.

Links to follow:
Charleston, SC long range radar
Southeast U.S. Marine observations and forecasts


Figure 1. Latest satellite image of TD 3.

Caribbean disturbance 94L
A well-organized disturbance in the Central Caribbean (94L) is bringing heavy rain and gusty winds to Haiti and Jamaica tonight. This afternoon's Hurricane Hunter flight was unable to find a closed surface circulation, and this evening's 6:51 pm EDT QuikSCAT pass also shows no surface circulation. An upper-level cold low centered over Cuba is bringing about 20 knots of wind shear to the northern portion of 94L, but the southern portion of the disturbance is under only about 10 knots of wind shear.

The upper-level low is forecast to slide westward and weaken over the next two days, bringing low wind shear of 5-10 knots over the disturbance Saturday and Sunday. The low shear combined with the warm (28.5°C) water of the Western Caribbean should allow 94L to finally organize into a tropical depression as early as Saturday afternoon. NHC is giving 94L a high (>50% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Sunday morning. Another Hurricane Hunter mission is scheduled to fly into 94L at 2 pm EDT Saturday. The disturbance has time to potentially strengthen into a tropical storm with 50 mph winds before coming ashore on the Yucatan Peninsula sometime between Sunday night and Monday afternoon. Passage over the Yucatan will no doubt significantly disrupt what should be a relatively weak system, and it is unclear what threat, if any, the storm will pose to the Gulf of Mexico coast. Once it does cross into the Gulf, wind shear should be low enough to permit development.

Bertha
Hurricane Bertha is still out there. I find it amazing we've had a July storm that has lasted 17 days and counting! Bertha's days are numbered, though. Bertha will reach cold water less than 70°F by Sunday, which should finally kill it.

I'll have a full update on the tropics Saturday morning. Boy, it sure looks like more like September than July in the tropics!

Jeff Masters
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601. MrSea 14:08 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Quoting fldude99:
Quoting MrSea:
I predict that this African wave will hit the US East Coast as a strong hurricane in 11-16 days.


And I predict I win the powerball this weekend


lol that's different
603. TampaSpin 14:09 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
My take in my blog i noted if 94L gets stronger it heads North.
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604. atmoaggie 14:10 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
577: Can you tell us what town and what time/day?
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605. LPStormspotter 14:10 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Myrtlespin.... That is N Tx right ?
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606. nrtiwlnvragn 14:10 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
598. tea3781

00Z HWRF had the strong storm.
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607. extreme236 14:10 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Quoting tea3781:
578. nrtiwlnvragn 2:01 PM GMT on July 19, 2008 Hide this comment.
573. extreme236

06Z HWRF has 49 knots at the end


Thats what I thought...I never saw anything about a category 4 hurricane.


Sorry about the confusion. I was just going by what the chart said.
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608. aubiesgirl 14:10 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
603.yea I read that
609. Patrap 14:10 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
A. is flight times

B,is storm I.D.

C. is Time of the day it was issued.

I believe.

I was in the USMC Air Wing..not the Air Force./em>
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610. tea3781 14:11 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Hurricane Charlie track looked similar to where 94L is now!
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611. extreme236 14:11 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Quoting Drakoen:
Quoting extreme236:
Drak Jp is right that a sfc circulation could form at any time. Wind shear is decreasing as the ULL pulls away and weakens and SSTs are quite high.


They have been saying the same thing for 4-5 days now. Disregard what I say even though for the most part I have nailed the system so far.


But the thing is conditions haven't been as favorable as there going to be for the next 48 hours. These conditions should allow for a depression to form.
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612. tea3781 14:12 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
603. TampaSpin 2:09 PM GMT on July 19, 2008 Hide this comment.
My take in my blog i noted if 94L gets stronger it heads North.


I agree!
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613. BrandonC 14:12 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Morning all! Here is the answer to that question regarding reading the Recon Flight Schedule.

Guide to Decoding Reconnaisance Schedules
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
A = Requested on-station time for each complete pattern.

B = Mission identifier. Part of the aircraft's tail number is in that.

C = Estimated time of departure from originating station.

D = Departure Station (KHST is Homestead, Florida. I think that you and
the weather community has these.)

E = Forecast position of storm / hurricane.

F = Destination station (where aircraft is scheduled to return).

G = Pattern to fly. The only one he had time to tell me is that ALPHA
is an X pattern with 105 mile legs. They go in, fly about 105 miles,
exit, go counter-clockwise and then fly the other 105 mile leg.

H = The forecast movement to be used calculating each pattern location.

I = Comments.


614. fire831rescue 14:12 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Interesting notefor me and everyone else: Newest models for 94L keeps shifting more towards CONUS and puts it in GOM. Hmmmm. Makes me wonder where it's headed and what it will do.
615. nrtiwlnvragn 14:12 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
602. 4rtMyersGuy

A is center fix date/time
C is takeoff date/time
E is time on station date/time
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616. fldude99 14:12 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Quoting MrSea:
Quoting fldude99:
Quoting MrSea:
I predict that this African wave will hit the US East Coast as a strong hurricane in 11-16 days.


And I predict I win the powerball this weekend


lol that's different


Just trying to point out how ridiculous it is to make a prediction of a blob blowing off the african coast
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617. kmanislander 14:14 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Would someone please post the link for the HH real time obs. I do not have it on my home computer. TIA
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618. caneman911 14:14 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
My wife took the kids down to myrtle beach. she has no clue about the TD, i forgot to tell her. She just called and asked me was it supposed to rain.
619. MrSea 14:14 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
I see no reason for 94L not to develop.. however I will not make any predictions on it until it has a circulation.

Our TD seems to be taking on more of a comma shape, with more banding features to the NE and SW. I think it should be a TS next advisory, but I doubt NHS will upgrade it until late tonight or tomorrow morning.
620. kmanislander 14:15 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Who stretched the blog ?
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621. msuwxman 14:15 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
I still say that this will turn out to be a TX/LA/MS storm.
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622. LPStormspotter 14:15 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Quoting caneman911:
My wife took the kids down to myrtle beach. she has no clue about the TD, i forgot to tell her. She just called and asked me was it supposed to rain.
LOL
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623. samiam1234 14:15 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
I really dont think this thing is going towards Texas.. It will have to make an extremely sharp North turn to get their.. and at its current speed of about 20 mph.. it will keep tracking West with slight north component and will hit well south of Texas... It shouldnt be anymore then a strong tropical storm at the most.
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624. nrtiwlnvragn 14:16 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
617. kmanislander

Link
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625. kmanislander 14:17 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
616. fldude99 2:12 PM GMT on July 19, 2008

I believe this post is stretching the blog due to several quotes with an image in it. Please edit. Thanks
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626. LPStormspotter 14:17 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
i hope your right
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627. kmanislander 14:18 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
624

Many thanks
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628. TampaSpin 14:18 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
I wish they would get rid of that dam qoute button......wow
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629. MrSea 14:18 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
616. fldude99 2:12 PM GMT on July 19, 2008

well, I think it's a reasonable prediction. I see no reasons for it not to develop, most models develop it, the A/B high is building,so I dont think it'll recurve until very close to the US, and I think it's a question of will it turn north and hit the US east coast, or will it turn before that and go out to sea. Maybe a bold prediction, but I make bold predictions lol.
630. rainraingoaway 14:19 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Morning all. Hope all is well with our "crowd" in here.
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631. TampaSpin 14:20 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Kman im looking at the Satellite loop of 94L its really taking shape.
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632. SomeRandomTexan 14:20 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
good morning.... man tropics have really lit up over the past week....
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633. caneman911 14:20 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
What's wrong with the qoute button
634. extreme236 14:21 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Quoting MrSea:
616. fldude99 2:12 PM GMT on July 19, 2008

well, I think it's a reasonable prediction. I see no reasons for it not to develop, most models develop it, the A/B high is building,so I dont think it'll recurve until very close to the US, and I think it's a question of will it turn north and hit the US east coast, or will it turn before that and go out to sea. Maybe a bold prediction, but I make bold predictions lol.


How about possible wind shear? We have no idea what wind shear will be like and right now it's not too favorable off the coast and near the CV islands right now.
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635. Chicklit 14:21 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
If Jamaicans get lucky 94L will steer more west, but I'd be preparing my home to keep water from coming in. Link
If using dial up, this still water vapor image is easier to load. Link
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636. LPStormspotter 14:22 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
632 yes they have. seen the new gfdl model
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637. atmoaggie 14:22 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
629. MrSea 2:18 PM GMT on July 19, 2008

Now if you could only tell us what day and what town we could start on the coastal evacuations!
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639. Tazmanian 14:23 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
did any one no that the HH are now up in 94L???
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640. LPStormspotter 14:24 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Chicklit, where are you?
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643. InTheCone 14:24 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
637.

LOL!!!

I wouldn't doubt it a bit!!
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644. nrtiwlnvragn 14:25 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Answer to POD format:

TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY FORMAT
ATLANTIC AND CENTRAL PACIFIC OCEANS
NOUS42 KNHC _________ (DATE/UTC TIME)
WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL
_____ (LOCAL TIME) ___ (TIME ZONE) ___ (DAY) ___ (MONTH/DATE), ____ (YEAR)
SUBJECT: THE TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
VALID ______Z (MONTH) TO ______Z (MONTH) (YEAR)
TCPOD NUMBER.........(YR)- __________
I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. (STORM NAME, DEPRESSION, SUSPECT AREA) or (NEGATIVE RECON REQUIREMENTS)
FLIGHT ONE (NHC PRIORITY, if applicable)
TEAL or NOAA _____ (number)
A. __________________________Z FIX/INVEST TIME
B. __________________________ MISSION IDENTIFIER
C. __________________________Z DEPARTURE TIME
D. __________________________ FORECAST POSITION
E. __________________________Z TIME ON STATION
F. __________________________ ALTITUDE(S) ON STATION
G. __________________________ REMARKS (if needed)
FLIGHT TWO (if applicable, same as FLIGHT ONE)
2. (SECOND SYSTEM, if applicable, same as in 1. above)
3. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY (NHC PRIORITY, if applicable)
A. POSSIBLE (Unit) ON STATION REQUIREMENT NEAR (Location)
AT (Time) Z.
II. PACIFIC REQUIREMENTS (Same as in ATLANTIC)

Figure 5-7 of the National Hurricane Operations Plan
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645. TheWeatherMan504 14:25 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Quoting jphurricane2006:
I find it funny how people get too impatient and frustrated with systems. Here is a newsflash, not all systems will form quickly and if you are expecting that, then you dont have the patience to do this kind of tracking


you know im patient im waiting because i know something is starting to cook with 94l.
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646. MrSea 14:25 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Quoting extreme236:
Quoting MrSea:
616. fldude99 2:12 PM GMT on July 19, 2008

well, I think it's a reasonable prediction. I see no reasons for it not to develop, most models develop it, the A/B high is building,so I dont think it'll recurve until very close to the US, and I think it's a question of will it turn north and hit the US east coast, or will it turn before that and go out to sea. Maybe a bold prediction, but I make bold predictions lol.


How about possible wind shear? We have no idea what wind shear will be like and right now it's not too favorable off the coast and near the CV islands right now.


GFS shows weakening shear.. and looking at water vapor imagery, African dust doesnt look like itll be a problem neither
647. extreme236 14:25 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
HH are heading to 94L now so it seems.
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648. Chicklit 14:26 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Quoting Tazmanian:
did any one no that the HH are now up in 94L???

No, but I would think they sincerely would like to classify this as a TD so they can 'up' the info level on it.
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649. BeenThereinMiami 14:26 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
94L is finally firing off decent storms near the center in the last hour. Now that the ULL to its west is weakening, it has one more battle to overcome in the dry air that the ULL dumped in front of it. We shall see.
650. Drakoen 14:26 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
Quoting jphurricane2006:
I find it funny how people get too impatient and frustrated with systems. Here is a newsflash, not all systems will form quickly and if you are expecting that, then you dont have the patience to do this kind of tracking


Hopefully that statement isn't directed to me. 94L has done nothing to be impressive and continues to struggle.
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651. Hawkeyewx 14:26 GMT le 19 juillet 2008    
We are of course focused on TD3 and 94L, but has anyone else noticed the very small, but interesting feature south of Bermuda? A circulation has developed along the tail left behind by Bertha. Some nice convection has been firing this morning and concentrating just ne of the low center. Upper level winds are decent in that area.
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